Yay, Ubaldo Jimenez! When an organization gives up prospects #2 (Alex White), #4 (Drew Pomeranz) & #9 (Joe Gardner) at the trading deadline (plus former 2nd round pick, Matt McBride), the return should be a proven major league commodity. Despite the fact that Jimenez will remain under team control through 2014, we have absolutely no idea what we will be getting. Over his past 40 starts, Ubaldo is 12-16 with 4.80 ERA. That does not sound like a number one starter to me. With a velocity dip of between 3 & 4 MPH on his best two pitches and 2011 WHIP of nearly 1.4, he does not inspire fear in anyone. What he might do in any given start is a microcosm of what he might do over the next few seasons, it is anyone's guess. I do not mean that in the "no one can predict the future" sense. Rather the Indians have traded a handful of young prospects for a 27-year with great potential, who has yet to put together for more than a couple of months at the big league level and has already been hampered by a number of nagging injuries.
While the sensation of having the Tribe bringing on talent instead of fire-selling it away certainly warms the cockles of my heart, I cringe to wonder what this trade might reap. When the organization traded away CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee, each coming off of a Cy Young season, their dominance had already inspired some to predict Hall of Fame futures. While I understand that this is, by all means putting, the cart before the horse, it seems much more likely that Jimenez will slot with Ernie Broglio and Doyle Alexander and it will be Drew Pomeranz that is spoken of alongside Lou Brock and John Smoltz. Don't know who the first two are? Exactly. Hell, even it is not Pom, it could be White or Gardner. Think about that as you marvel at how similar Ubaldo is to one Fausto Carmona. Wonder why he has such tantalizing option years the first time that he walks six and lasts 10 outs.
If this team had been one or two players short of making a serious run at a pennant, then, as a mid-market team, this is the sort of trade that reality necessitates. Sadly, the 2011 Indians, now sitting a single game over .500 and with 23 wins in their past 60 games, are not that team. Even if young talent, incisive moves and pure dumb luck conspire to produce a playoff appearance, it will be brief. Is a token ALDS appearance worth bending over backwards for the team we should have swept in 2007?
I understand that murderer's row redux does not equal a world championship, but betting the farm on a guy that is, at best, a coin flip is a great way to preclude playing for one for yet another decade.
All of that being said, I do very much hope that I am exactly wrong.
Cheers
Energy just always changes state and I refuse to believe that human consciousness is the sole exception to this universal law."
- Mark Millar
Sunday, July 31, 2011
C'mon This Is Basic Stuff
Normally, I feel as if everyone is entitled to their own opinion. While I might disagree with an assertion, I am always open to another point of view. There is one staggering caveat here: the argument must be supported with some kind of evidence.
That being said, I cannot believe that either the PD or Cleveland.com allowed this piece to see the light of day. Here is the gist of the author's position: with Josh Hamilton the Rangers play (as of 07.22) .661 ball, without him .421. Both Ian Kinsler and Adrian Beltre have a higher WAR than Hamilton. Thus, WAR is a silly "new-fangled" statistic that provides no useful information.
I could take innumerable stances against this contention. How about "WAR accounts for games played, rather than games not played, especially those lost after breaking your arm trying to score from third on a pop out to between home and third. Maybe WAR rewards those who do not make god awful stupid decisions. You would need to take a WAR/G average to build in games missed due to injury." Or "Look at the top 10 in career WAR (Ruth, Bonds, Cobb, Mays, Cy Young, Aaron, Walter Johnson, Wagner, Speaker, Clemens) and tell me that it does a poor job of ranking players. Of the top 63 in career WAR, all of them are either in the Hall of Fame, definitely will be in the Hall of Fame (think Maddux), or have been caught up in the steroid scandal. If you want to allow a couple of 19th century guys and Peter Edward Rose, then it covers the top 83." I could take issue with this entirely subjective and unsupported statement --
Thankfully, I do not need to make any of those arguments. All I need to do is simply point out one of the most basic logical theorems: CORRELATION DOES NOT PROVE CAUSATION!!!!! Did I put enough emphasis on that? Am I going to waste my time digging into the myriad of reasons that Rangers did not perform well during those 38 games? Absolutely not. The pure fact is that just because Texas plays 200 points lower without Hamilton does not mean it was because Hamilton was not in the lineup. For instance, the Cardinals had a higher slugging percentage when Albert Pujols was on the DL. Weird. That is because there are an incalculable amount of variables at play. Hey, my Indians are 0-5 this season when I watch the game at a bar. Thus, obviously, the place at which I watch the game has a direct negative influence on the Tribe's ability to win. Right? Right?
If the author wants to express his deep and abiding man-crush on Josh Hamilton or continue to live in an antiquated fantasy world where batting average is still the premier statistic, I'm cool with that, but it is simply deplorable that a respected media outlet would print the ramble. The author closes his piece as follows --
Maybe Mike Pettica's understanding of baseball is so minuscule it's simply non-existent and the only reason that he is still being paid is that he has 40 years of experience. (Nice assumed "that" and contracted "it's", you hack.)
Cheers.
That being said, I cannot believe that either the PD or Cleveland.com allowed this piece to see the light of day. Here is the gist of the author's position: with Josh Hamilton the Rangers play (as of 07.22) .661 ball, without him .421. Both Ian Kinsler and Adrian Beltre have a higher WAR than Hamilton. Thus, WAR is a silly "new-fangled" statistic that provides no useful information.
I could take innumerable stances against this contention. How about "WAR accounts for games played, rather than games not played, especially those lost after breaking your arm trying to score from third on a pop out to between home and third. Maybe WAR rewards those who do not make god awful stupid decisions. You would need to take a WAR/G average to build in games missed due to injury." Or "Look at the top 10 in career WAR (Ruth, Bonds, Cobb, Mays, Cy Young, Aaron, Walter Johnson, Wagner, Speaker, Clemens) and tell me that it does a poor job of ranking players. Of the top 63 in career WAR, all of them are either in the Hall of Fame, definitely will be in the Hall of Fame (think Maddux), or have been caught up in the steroid scandal. If you want to allow a couple of 19th century guys and Peter Edward Rose, then it covers the top 83." I could take issue with this entirely subjective and unsupported statement --
"And maybe it doesn't matter that Hamilton continues to drive in runs at a lofty pace; is such a feared hitter that the batters around him get better pitches to hit; is an outstanding base-runner; has excellent range in the outfield and a great throwing arm; plays hard almost to a fault; is integral to the Rangers' excellent camaraderie and chemistry, etc."
Thankfully, I do not need to make any of those arguments. All I need to do is simply point out one of the most basic logical theorems: CORRELATION DOES NOT PROVE CAUSATION!!!!! Did I put enough emphasis on that? Am I going to waste my time digging into the myriad of reasons that Rangers did not perform well during those 38 games? Absolutely not. The pure fact is that just because Texas plays 200 points lower without Hamilton does not mean it was because Hamilton was not in the lineup. For instance, the Cardinals had a higher slugging percentage when Albert Pujols was on the DL. Weird. That is because there are an incalculable amount of variables at play. Hey, my Indians are 0-5 this season when I watch the game at a bar. Thus, obviously, the place at which I watch the game has a direct negative influence on the Tribe's ability to win. Right? Right?
If the author wants to express his deep and abiding man-crush on Josh Hamilton or continue to live in an antiquated fantasy world where batting average is still the premier statistic, I'm cool with that, but it is simply deplorable that a respected media outlet would print the ramble. The author closes his piece as follows --
"Maybe Hamilton's "Wins Above Replacement" is so far off the charts it's simply invisible."
Maybe Mike Pettica's understanding of baseball is so minuscule it's simply non-existent and the only reason that he is still being paid is that he has 40 years of experience. (Nice assumed "that" and contracted "it's", you hack.)
Cheers.
Lessons of 1995
The thing about pitching prospects is they tend to not pan out. Pom and White are being described as two front of the rotation guys, but the chances are very good one of those guys is going to be a flop. And the one that succeeds is going to eat up a lot of his MLB service time perfecting his craft. Remember Cliff Lee wasn't even on the 2007 playoff rotation. And CC was mediocre for most of his time under the Indians control.
If you look at the deal in that light, getting 2 and a half years of Ubaldo is a great deal. Its a big assumption, but if his weak stats this year were due to an injury that really is behind him, he is a major addition to an already strong rotation. The tribe will get 2.5 years of a top notch pitcher. The reality of pitching prospects is that we probably weren't going to get 2.5 years of good pitching out of Pom and White, espically not in this window that has opened up to control the central.
Another aspect here is that Ubaldo came with a cheap contract. This trade didn't suck up scarce payroll dollars, and maybe they'll be able to make a run at some free agents this off season.
Fans I've talked to wanted a bat. But hitting didn't get it done for us in the 1990's. Ublaldo, Masterson, Tomlin, Carrasco, Carmona. That's a pretty good rotation. And we still have more in Columbus. With just a little bit of hitting out of the guys we already have this team can win the division.
If you look at the deal in that light, getting 2 and a half years of Ubaldo is a great deal. Its a big assumption, but if his weak stats this year were due to an injury that really is behind him, he is a major addition to an already strong rotation. The tribe will get 2.5 years of a top notch pitcher. The reality of pitching prospects is that we probably weren't going to get 2.5 years of good pitching out of Pom and White, espically not in this window that has opened up to control the central.
Another aspect here is that Ubaldo came with a cheap contract. This trade didn't suck up scarce payroll dollars, and maybe they'll be able to make a run at some free agents this off season.
Fans I've talked to wanted a bat. But hitting didn't get it done for us in the 1990's. Ublaldo, Masterson, Tomlin, Carrasco, Carmona. That's a pretty good rotation. And we still have more in Columbus. With just a little bit of hitting out of the guys we already have this team can win the division.
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